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More arbitrary injustice at Xhamster

More arbitrary injustice at Xhamster

I recently uploaded a video featuring Charlie Laine and Sarah Blake. I discovered this morning that it was rejected "due to participation of too young looking persons on the screen".

Ms Laine was born in 1984 and made her screen debut in 2002, aged 18. Ms Blake was born in 1980 and made her screen debut in 2003, after working as a webcam model; she was 22/23 at that time.

All this information was available via IMDb in a matter of clicks, but Xhamster's moderators would rather rely upon their own subjective judgement than cold, hard facts. The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.


Update: There is now a sequel to this blog at http://xhamster.com/user/rodent1/posts/254813.html

Published by rodent1
10 years ago
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petdyke
recently there is a new admin, even some woman works there
they improved a tiny bit, but are still rules by US hypocricy!
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My idea was another :
The apparent age of the actresses is a rule made for you or for all the members of xham?
Because the unuseful rules of this site are making a real chaos, why?
The unique rule of a host site (it's the real role of the tubesites) it's to have
the right to erase what you are doing at their "home", enough.
Using a system of volunteers as reviewers, instead of workers, giving them a public role,
leaving anonymous the inappropriate function, the site is collecting an unbelievable number
of mistakes and misunderstandings and the first persons to pay the mistakes are the reviewers,
because they can't have a single measure to judge, it's impossible.
Everything is connected with the attempt to avoid problems with the copyrights, another
impossible goal and the site had a lot of issues even if the videos have not the watermarks.
So meanwhile the reviewers are distracted by the unuseful rules, xHamster is the unique
tubesite where you can see millions of stolen images of students during their common life :
no porn, no sex, no naked girls, just simple persons at school, at a party, at the beach.
All these images are regular for xham, meanwhile professional actresses are seen in a different
way by each reviewer.
At the same time you can see on Capo page a lot of comments with reports about under age avatars.
This is what I was meaning with my comment, forgive my bad english.
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rodent1
Interesting. I see no point in reposts, but it can happen. I find a video, maybe it's come from Xhamster in the past or maybe someone else posts it before I do.
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About your vid, they're on xhamster, doubled

http://xhamster.com/movies/940792/pretty_skiny_teenage_lesbians.html

http://xhamster.com/movies/27338/perfect_teen_bodies_in_girl_on_girl_action.html

(with the title), perhaps it's not the same video but seems to me they are the same actresses,
or the search engine I used is completly mad, I pasted the names in the nudevista search bar,
it gave me about twenty results, one of them lead me on a very interesting site, thank you!
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I think that reference was meant for me, mate...
Will fill you in later if I'm still logged in :wink:
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rodent1
I certainly do not believe all reviewers are idiots, but there are undeniably some apparently unjustifiable decisions being made. As I've said below, I've tentatively enquired about becoming a reviewer, since it's better to be on the inside, trying to improve the system, than to stand outside moaning about the inconsistencies taking place on the other side of the wall.
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rodent1
Sorry, Chris, but that's the second time you've called me Mark. It's Steve, just like it says on the front page. That's my real name. I can prove it if need be.

And what "choice" is it that you're claiming I didn't take advantage of?
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I have a reviewer friend...and he is a great guy! Some reviewers are jerks, but, my friend is not! I'm not sure how they decide what to post or delete, but, can help if you want it!
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sanyo60
What's with this GP shit ?
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sanyo60
Well........yeah oh "Posse" haven't heard that for a while !
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:grinning: okay, so now you think rodent1 and I are one & the same person??
Paranoia & delusion must abound in that 'posse' of yours, Chris.

Especially over the identity of the GP's "other mod"...
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sanyo60
Well Mark you had that choice once didn't you !!
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rodent1
I do not hate reviewers, Chris. I hate inconsistency. I hate kneejerk decisions. I've seen material blocked from one user which is identical in content and tone to material already posted by another. I don't mind rules - a site such as this cannot exist without them - but they have to be applied universally. Some kind of appeals procedure (a second opinion, say) would alleviate much of the irritation voiced in blogs such as this.

Anyhow, I did visit that page you suggested, and have left an enquiry, so some good may come of it.
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sanyo60
I apologise for that comment and will delete it, i got caught up in the moment and it was directed at the reviewer hater that started this blog.
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smldkphatass
I'm going to assume you intended your reply for another comment, because it seems completely unrelated to what I said.
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sanyo60
Well actually Mark yes they did for one !!
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rodent1
Very good points. It's indeed the lack of a clearly defined policy which causes irritation.
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smldkphatass
I had this same argument with xHamster support earlier this year. It became clear to me that when xHamster says "watermarks", what they really mean is "any text and/or graphics, appearing at any time, for any reason." This includes titles. It's unfortunate that xHamster won't clearly state their actual policy.

The reason xHamster gives for the "no watermarks" policy is that "users don't like them". That may be true, but I seriously doubt it's the real reason. I suspect it's about weeding out copyrighted commercial porn, and preventing advertising for other web sites. Even with very uneven enforcement, the policy probably does limit the number of videos that xHamster deems undesirable.

After several rounds of EMAIL with xHamster support, they agreed to stop deleting my videos because of titles. In my case, the videos were personally created by me, and I own the copyright. If anybody else is having trouble with their original videos being deleted, they should contact support (and be persistent if the initial response is unhelpful).

Unfortunately rodent1, you probably won't get any relief for non-original videos. :frowning:
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rodent1
It now appears having a title at the start of a video is classed as a 'watermark'. Does Xhamster trawl the coffee shops of Amsterdam to find the brain-dead morons employed as moderators here?
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Hi rodent!yes it's me..it was more than likely it was copyrighted!! what smidphat said!!
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rodent1
Cheers for the advice. It's certainly worthy checking out.
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smldkphatass
> All this information was available via IMDb in a matter of clicks,
> but Xhamster's moderators would rather rely upon their own subjective
> judgement than cold, hard facts.

Arbitrary enforcement of vague rules sucks.

Having said that, I can't blame xHamster reviewers for relying upon "their own subjective judgement". I don't think it's reasonable to expect volunteer reviewers to spend time doing independent research. Also, from what I've read (in P-L-P's blog), reviewers are shown 10 thumbnails from a video, and have to approve or reject based on that. If one thumbnail shows what seems like an underage person, the only safe decision is to reject.

P.S. Be careful what you wish for. If xHamster did research the video in IMDB, they would have "actual knowledge" that it's copyrighted commercial porn, and would have to reject your upload.
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smldkphatass
> If there's an appeals procedure, I certainly can't see any mention of it.

Go to http://xhamster.com/contact.php and open a support ticket. It may not help, but you won't know for sure unless you try. :smile:
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rodent1
I note one company prefaces its short films with the two actresses stressing at near-comical length that whilst the onscreen scenario involves siblings, they are not themselves sisters.
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rodent1
I tried that once before, without success. Maybe I'll see if I can change the file format.
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You might try changing the file name and reloading. Maybe another moderator will see things differently.
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completely agree , you could also add "daughter" as does that not also imply incest which is also against the rules, of course we all know they are not schoolgirls or daughters , but it does show the idiocy that is randomly and unjustly applied
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rodent1
This one didn't get as far as being available for anyone to take offence, but was killed whilst still in the pipeline. If there's an appeals procedure, I certainly can't see any mention of it.

I just ran a search using the word 'schoolgirl' and was offered 36 pages, each with 20 links. That's 720 videos involving actresses pretending to be underage. If you're going to have rules, they should be applied uniformly.
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The club of uploaders who have this sort of thing happen to them is pretty big I should imagine, so you have my sympathy, I like many others have been a victim of this stupidity, it appears that if someone thinks the girl looks to young and report it to capo or support then it is deleted, lets be honest here , you are very unlikely to find underaged girls in professional studio porn , maybe in some amateur porn that may be the case,and many studio's want their girls to look young and innocent as a selling point. there was a vid I saw reported on capo's page as being underage and got deleted , the same girl has other vids on here and has been a porn star for a few years , that's how stupid it is.
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rodent1
Exactly, Debbi: these rules just take the piss.

Actually, I had one video blocked - without explanation - in which a woman flogged herself, so it appears sadism's okay, but masochism is beyond the pale.
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